Presidential Election - Who would you vote for?

[flashinthepan]

Since Mr. Kerry has no firm stance on anything it will be Bush.

John Kerry could turn out to be the smelly egg spoiled under its shell.

No thanks Johnny.

 

[Big Daddy]

im through with this thread, i just wanted to straighten out the idea that i was judging someone by the way they talk, which you have taken the wrong way. What i mean is from what i have heard him talk about in speaches, press talks, and what have you, everything that has come out of his mouth has been hot air. He has always talked this way, even 4 years ago. Saying things like america a great nation, we will prevail, we this, we that, i assure you this, terrorists watch out... all f*cking FLUFF!!!! NEVER have i heard him speak statistics and meaningful notions and it even sound intelligent. And i dont mean that by the way he talks.... what the f*ck! the way he talks? i am actually offended that you assume i judge by the sound of their voice!

Chill a bit, it is just opinions and let's watch that language. Everyone respect everyone's opinions please!

 

[xLibelle]

whoop. didnt mean for that to sound that heated.
i get pretty frustrated with this type of topic because many people are so uneducated in the whole picture, that they stick to guns they dont know the annihilative ability behind it and then i blow my top - so i got to walk away.

 

[MyHarley]

i mean, i havent liked bush from the beginning because i hate his verbiage (sounds like an idiot),

Perception versus reality..........same thing

Bush has been mocked for years on how he pronounces words and using words that are not even a word in the English language, so it was a pretty safe bet if we mistook your intention. But, when we are wrong in understanding, since you're not standing in front of us and you cant measure all meanings behind a computer screen, all you have to say is "hey guys you misunderstood my comment." We know we are not always right.........well I am......

So, get back in the throw of the discussion, its always good for the soul to express your feelings........might even surprise you how much you believe in things when you get to talk to other people.

I forgive you for getting flippity.......

 

[James]

I was writing a comment on his lack of public speaking ability (unless he's reading a script) and then I realised I wasn't adding anything to the debate.

Can you delete a post that you raise?

 

[Dave8812]

im through with this thread, i just wanted to straighten out the idea that i was judging someone by the way they talk, which you have taken the wrong way. What i mean is from what i have heard him talk about in speaches, press talks, and what have you, everything that has come out of his mouth has been hot air. He has always talked this way, even 4 years ago. Saying things like america a great nation, we will prevail, we this, we that, i assure you this, terrorists watch out... all f*cking FLUFF!!!! NEVER have i heard him speak statistics and meaningful notions and it even sound intelligent. And i dont mean that by the way he talks.... what the f*ck! the way he talks? i am actually offended that you assume i judge by the sound of their voice!

Oh ya, well *****, *******, ***, *************** ************ f*********!!!!!!! what the ************* [kick]

Ha ha, great fun!!!!!!!

 

[Dave8812]

 

[Bryan330i]

I don’t care how a person speaks or has trouble with some parts of speech. This is not an issue for me but I can see that it would be for some people. I had a professor that stated that this is the true measure of a person’s intelligence and social-economic class. Well, yours truly had a lot to say about that because I completely disagree.

I am very please with Bush today for his efforts to reach out to those in the Middle East. I think this was a very smart move and if it continues I believe it will work very much in his favor, but that is just my opinion.

I myself am not loyal when it comes to politics because I believe that actions speak louder than words and Bush deserves a great deal of credit for his actions today, regardless of the perceived quality of his speech.

 

[aNoodle]

If I was President my first duty is to hire some new designers for BMW and recall all the 7-Series.

LOL. I'll agree with that, but otherwise I'm not touching this post.

 

[James]

I don’t care how a person speaks or has trouble with some parts of speech. This is not an issue for me but I can see that it would be for some people. I had a professor that stated that this is the true measure of a person’s intelligence and social-economic class. Well, yours truly had a lot to say about that because I completely disagree.

I am very please with Bush today for his efforts to reach out to those in the Middle East. I think this was a very smart move and if it continues I believe it will work very much in his favor, but that is just my opinion.

I myself am not loyal when it comes to politics because I believe that actions speak louder than words and Bush deserves a great deal of credit for his actions today, regardless of the perceived quality of his speech.

"Credit for his actions"...I think you're oversimplifying things a little. Despite the fact that the world is better off without Saddam, his actions were illegal and the message it sends is not appealing. ie. America answers to no one.

Now my turn to oversimplify...Bush ousting Saddam by invading Iraq is like someone murdering a drug dealer. It makes the world a better place, but that doesn't make it right.

 

[Bryan330i]

"Credit for his actions"...I think you're oversimplifying things a little. Despite the fact that the world is better off without Saddam, his actions were illegal and the message it sends is not appealing. ie. America answers to no one.

Now my turn to oversimplify...Bush ousting Saddam by invading Iraq is like someone murdering a drug dealer. It makes the world a better place, but that doesn't make it right.

Did you read some of my other posts?

I do not agree with a lot that Bush has done. I do not agree with the war at all but I do hope now there is more of a direction towards Mid East respect that was abandon a few years back. I also stated that the war was contradictory to the Bush Sr. administration report that told of huge consequences and painted a dismal picture should Saddam be removed.

Nevertheless, any action that may help to heal a lot of international damage, even if it only effects a very small percentage of people, is better than no action IMO.

Is there a general or prevailing consensus in your country on this?


Correction…I don’t think I would go as far as to say that I am completely against the war, I am more against how and when it was initiated. Saddam was living under a microscope and it would have been nice to have more accrate information and costs outlined first.

 

[James]

Did you read some of my other posts?

I do not agree with a lot that Bush has done. I do not agree with the war at all but I do hope now there is more of a direction towards Mid East respect that was abandon a few years back. I also stated that the war was contradictory to the Bush Sr. administration report that told of huge consequences and painted a dismal picture should Saddam be removed.

Nevertheless, any action that may help to heal a lot of international damage, even if it only effects a very small percentage of people, is better than no action IMO.

Is there a general or prevailing consensus in your country on this?

Correction…I don’t think I would go as far as to say that I am completely against the war, I am more against how and when it was initiated. Saddam was living under a microscope and it would have been nice to have more accrate information and costs outlined first.

You make a lot of sense mate, I should have read some of your other posts. That's the danger with taking one post in isolation I guess....sorry. I agree with you 100% re how the war was initiated, or rather the grounds on which it was justified.

The prevailing Australian view on the war is that the majority didn't think the war was justified, but now that we're there we should finish the job properly, in both ousting the regime and providing the building blocks of a new independant nation. We've had troops there from the beginning and this very point is bound to be the cornerstone of debate in our own forthcoming federal elections.

 

[aNoodle]

....We've had troops there from the beginning and this very point is bound to be the cornerstone of debate in our own forthcoming federal elections...

Ah, so you're going federal now...I've always thought the politics of the common wealth were interesting. What's so wrong with paying allegence to the Queen?

Well, I guess in America we settled that issue a while back...hell, we even let the French save our asses (that's back before recently our foreign policy said they are evil). But, damn, we love that France gave us the Statue of Liberty. We'll hold on to that for now.

What is this Aussie federalist movement when all the english speaking people pretty much stick together anyway (well, before Bush and Canada in Iraq saying hell no).

 

[DrPierceMD]

I think Bush has done very well for the hand that was dealt. I like the fact that Bush does what he says he's going to do.

Bush wasn't dealt this hand. He pulled it out of his sleeves.

Being in the military myself I can honestly say that there is no good answers to the Iraq situation. Bush has backed himself into a corner that he can't get out of. We can't pull out of Iraq because then the people will say we deserted them and we would end up with an enemy anyways. And we can't stay there, because they are constantly rebelling against us, saying that we are not there for the good of the people.

gotta go I will finish this later

 

[Bryan330i]

I was shocked by this poll. AOL always, for as long as I can remember, had member polls that strongly favored Bush. I have never seen one like this.

How would you rate President Bush's overall job performance?
Poor 46%
Excellent 23%
Good 22%
Fair 10%
If the election were held today, who would get your vote?
John Kerry 50%
George W. Bush 47%
Ralph Nader 3%
Total Votes: 70,381

 

[gizzy]

Gotta vote for the "W".

Kerry as president=more taxes=less take home pay=NO BIMMER!!!

My father in law and I constantly have a debate over Bush. He claims that the job market and stock market is in such turmoil due to Bush. IMO - President's simply don't have that much control over the job and stock markets. For example, he credits Clinton for the great market that we had.

Questions
1. So, what did he do?
2. Why did the market start dropping like a rock before he left office?

Answers
1. Clinton was too busy with interns to do anything else.
2. Scandals of insider trading and false account started to appear. Are the people that did these things the president? I think not.

All in all, being the President of the United States or any other country for that matter, is a job that I would never want. You can never please everyone and you get blamed for anything that happens - even if it not part of anything that you can control.

Keep in mind that congress affects our day to day lives more than what the president could ever do. If really don't like what is going on, change out the people in congress. The president doesn't write the laws - congress does.

 

[Bryan330i]

I think Bush has done very well for the hand that was dealt. I like the fact that Bush does what he says he's going to do.

Bush wasn't dealt this hand. He pulled it out of his sleeves.

Being in the military myself I can honestly say that there is no good answers to the Iraq situation. Bush has backed himself into a corner that he can't get out of. We can't pull out of Iraq because then the people will say we deserted them and we would end up with an enemy anyways. And we can't stay there, because they are constantly rebelling against us, saying that we are not there for the good of the people.

gotta go I will finish this later

I agree, there is no way out of this. And just wait until we get the final price tag, probably due in about 15 years.

The age distribution in the US is shifting and we going further in debt, our tax rates are going to be 50% if we don't stop this-but like you say, how?

Another interesting point, those that complain the most about taxes are the people that don't pay much anyway? Take the South for example, they are the lowest wage earners and pay the least in taxes. As an example, You have Joe with a BS from Alabama U, his wife with some job outside the home, and a few kids. They make about 50-60K/year and pay very little in taxes relative to a lot of us and they are the one's doing the most complaining about a potential increase.

I say [EDIT] go out and make some real money if you want more cash. Furthermore, Kerry has no plan to increase your taxes, you are already paying less that many other parts of the country, but the simple fact is YOU MUST PAY SOMETHING!!!!!

I am sick of paying the way for these people, and guess who is going to get nailed for their war, people like me that are already paying more in taxes than these people earn! I am sick of this argument, stand up and be a man I say to those similarly situated , if you want more money EARN IT!!!!!

 

[Abdoman]

Another interesting point, those that complain the most about taxes are the people that don't pay much anyway? Take the South for example, they are the lowest wage earners and pay the least in taxes. As an example, You have Joe with a BS from Alabama U, his wife with some job outside the home, and a few kids. They make about 50-60K/year and pay very little in taxes relative to a lot of us and they are the one's doing the most complaining about a potential increase.

You do realize that, based on the same pay scale, we all pay the same federal tax percentage, right? If you don't like paying more taxes, move and your compensation will probably be lowered. People that are making 50-60k/yr are not taking your money, it's the people that don't work - welfare, etc. The south has a lower cost of living, so compensation is lower. If it was that easy to make more money, we would all be millionaires.

As for the war, I agree there is no good way out. I am just not sure how any other President would have handled the same situation. If Kerry was President, woulld he have just stood by and waited for something else to happen?

 

[Bryan330i]

At 38,000.00 adjust gross income with 2 kids pays no tax after child tax credit. At 42,000.00 adjusted with no kids the tax is 10%. At 90,000.00 adjusted with no kids the rate is 23%.

The Republican states tend to have the lowest income and the lowest ferderal income tax payments. This information is available from the Census department, there are dozens if not a hundred or more reports.

 

[Dave8812]

"Credit for his actions"...I think you're oversimplifying things a little. Despite the fact that the world is better off without Saddam, his actions were illegal and the message it sends is not appealing. ie. America answers to no one.

Now my turn to oversimplify...Bush ousting Saddam by invading Iraq is like someone murdering a drug dealer. It makes the world a better place, but that doesn't make it right.

How is it not right? You said the world is a better place without Saddam, but it was wrong to invade Iraq. How do you figure that? If we didn't go into Iraq, Saddam would still be there, and that is wrong that he was there. So how can staring a war to take out a bad person be wrong, but when he is gone, make the world a better place?