Presidential Election - Who would you vote for?

[Bryan330i]

The war, about over? What are you talking about? We probably wont be out of there for another 10 years. He brought the war onto himself. Go to barns and nobles and buy Bob Woodward's book. That would be like me joining all sports at school, then telling my teahcers that I cant do my school work becuase I am in too much other stuff.

I think 10 years is conservative. And 87 billion is a complete joke; try a number exponentially higher,

There was a report on this prepared by the Bush Sr. Administration that told of a dismal scenario should Saddam be removed. I cant remember where this is available, does anyone remember this or where to find it?

 

[epj3]

I think 10 years is conservative. And 87 billion is a complete joke; try a number exponentially higher,

There was a report on this prepared by the Bush Sr. Administration that told of a dismal scenario should Saddam be removed. I cant remember where this is available, does anyone remember this or where to find it?

20 bucks says osama will magically be 'found' 2 weeks befor the election.

 

[Bryan330i]

20 bucks says osama will magically be 'found' 2 weeks befor the election.

I would tend to agree. And then you will have the masses following blindly unaware of the extensive remaining network and the threat it poses. It is a very intelligent and well-financed network and Osama has certainly already been replaced. Nevertheless, people will be lead like mindless sheep, never questioning, as they are poised in a false sense of security.

 

[Abdoman]

I think Bush has done very well for the hand that was dealt. I like the fact that Bush does what he says he's going to do.

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Originally Posted by epj3
20 bucks says osama will magically be 'found' 2 weeks befor the election.

If I were Bush, that's the way I would play it. Wouldn't you?

 

[Bryan330i]

I think Bush has done very well for the hand that was dealt. I like the fact that Bush does what he says he's going to do.

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Originally Posted by epj3
20 bucks says osama will magically be 'found' 2 weeks befor the election.

If I were Bush, that's the way I would play it. Wouldn't you?

Any president would play it, Democrat or Republican!

But things can be so much better. We can be safer and not be drowning in debt.

 

[xLibelle]

i guess bush has done ok* in his 3.5 years, but i think things could be better with, say, kerry.
i mean, i havent liked bush from the beginning because i hate his verbiage (sounds like an idiot), views on topics like abortion (and many others that dont ring my bell), and his... well, it just seems that there is crazy shit going on in office like about the war that points to Bush not being capable of properly making decisions about war and running the country in general.
In his (Bush) opposition, i cant say that i have heard a bad story about Kerry that didnt have some sort of explination or that it didnt even relate to how he would run the country. i thought our economy looked MUCH better while democrats were in office. so some change would be good and not in anyway that Bush has proposed.
so you know my vote - Tom.

 

[Abdoman]

You can't blame our economy on Bush - Clinton was very lucky. He was able to ride the dotcom revolution during his administration.

 

[Bryan330i]

You can't blame our economy on Bush - Clinton was very lucky. He was able to ride the dotcom revolution during his administration.

There are some other differences. Consumer confidence translates to consumer spending, the largest component of GDP. Clinton enjoyed very high confidence numbers and likewise a boost in GDP early on. Bush has fumbled a bit in this area, and even with the individual tax “rebate” checks, there was not positive movement reflective of the influx of money.

 

[Abdoman]

There are some other differences. Consumer confidence translates to consumer spending, the largest component of GDP. Clinton enjoyed very high confidence numbers and likewise a boost in GDP early on. Bush has fumbled a bit in this area, and even with the individual tax “rebate” checks, there was not positive movement reflective of the influx of money.

Ha - Your kidding right? You really think that our economy was based on confidence numbers in Clinton? Why do you think Clinton's numbers were up? Because of the dotcom revolution!

People were investing in the stock market in huge numbers. When the money was just not there, many people lost half of their savings. What are these people doing right now? Being very, very conservative in their investments. Does it effect the economy and the overall confidence? Absolutely

So if you theory holds true, what about George Bush senior? He enjoyed higher approval ratings than Clinton did.

 

[Dave8812]

i guess bush has done ok* in his 3.5 years, but i think things could be better with, say, kerry.
i mean, i havent liked bush from the beginning because i hate his verbiage (sounds like an idiot), views on topics like abortion (and many others that dont ring my bell), and his... well, it just seems that there is crazy shit going on in office like about the war that points to Bush not being capable of properly making decisions about war and running the country in general.
In his (Bush) opposition, i cant say that i have heard a bad story about Kerry that didnt have some sort of explination or that it didnt even relate to how he would run the country. i thought our economy looked MUCH better while democrats were in office. so some change would be good and not in anyway that Bush has proposed.
so you know my vote - Tom.

I've always wondered why people don't like Bush because of the way he talks. People just hear him talk and say "that guy talks weird, i don't like him now..." Presidents should be judged by the way they run our country, not by the way they sound, or because they talk about stuff that "some" people don't know about. BTW, whats wrong with his views on abortion? He DOESN'T support it. If your too stupid not to use protection, then don't go sleepin' around. NOW does it ring your bell?

 

[Dave8812]

and you know ALL of the presidential canidates just put on a BIG show before elections. All of them do it, democrats, republicans, and even the green party. So of course your going to hear "good explinations" for all of Kerry's mistakes.

 

[MyHarley]

Nevertheless, people will be lead like mindless sheep, never questioning, as they are poised in a false sense of security.

Well I'll be up front........I'm voting for Bush, that's my right and my opinion, but I'm not a mindless sheep........I have never voted Democrat in 25 years and never will.........I believe in the Republican platform over Democrat platform, therefore I am the true Republican who punches one spot..........all Republican.....

I know you're not being mean Brian........lol.......

 

[Bryan330i]

Well I'll be up front........I'm voting for Bush, that's my right and my opinion, but I'm not a mindless sheep........I have never voted Democrat in 25 years and never will.........I believe in the Republican platform over Democrat platform, therefore I am the true Republican who punches one spot..........all Republican.....

I know you're not being mean Brian........lol.......

That is a term used in political science. How a party will grab people on hollow "egg shell" claims to maintain a party. Both do it, Democrats and Republicans. It was not directed at anyone.

 

[Bryan330i]

Ha - Your kidding right? You really think that our economy was based on confidence numbers in Clinton? Why do you think Clinton's numbers were up? Because of the dotcom revolution!

People were investing in the stock market in huge numbers. When the money was just not there, many people lost half of their savings. What are these people doing right now? Being very, very conservative in their investments. Does it effect the economy and the overall confidence? Absolutely

So if you theory holds true, what about George Bush senior? He enjoyed higher approval ratings than Clinton did.

Clinton became president in 1992, well in advance of the dotcom. Bush Sr ran 76% (very brief) to 32% accrding to Gallup. Bush Jr. hit 90% but it only lasted 2 days. I don't view a spike as a good measure, but rather, an average for a period.

 

[Bryan330i]

This thread is fascinating! I enjoy everyone’s comments.

I am just curious about a couple of viewpoints from those that support Bush.

Do you think his economic policy is comprised of a strong foundation for the future and security of our children?

Do you think his policies are more geared toward Mid East security than those of Clinton?

Do you believe that the Iraq war was initiated to find weapons of mass destruction or terrorism?

Do you think the Iraq war, on a cost benefit perspective, is the best use of a terrorism fighting budget-essentially, the most bang for the buck?

Are we safer from terrorism today because of the Iraq war?

Would you be willing to take a seriously drug or alcohol affected child in your home and pay to raise the child in order to achieve an anti-abortion nation?

 

[MyHarley]

This thread is fascinating! I enjoy everyone’s comments.

I am just curious about a couple of viewpoints from those that support Bush.

Do you think his economic policy is comprised of a strong foundation for the future and security of our children?

Do you think his policies are more geared toward Mid East security than those of Clinton?

Do you believe that the Iraq war was initiated to find weapons of mass destruction or terrorism?

Do you think the Iraq war, on a cost benefit perspective, is the best use of a terrorism fighting budget-essentially, the most bang for the buck?

Would you be willing to take a seriously drug or alcohol affected child in your home and pay to raise the child in order to achieve an anti-abortion nation?

1. America will continue to be the most prosperous nation with or without Bush.
2. Clinton could of done more on the Mid-East and terrorism.
3. Yes
4. Kick ass and take names later.........
5. No

Add on for Wil:

Every person has a certain way of talking depending on their environment and location in the United States. I dont judge a person's intellect by how they talk and hopefully they won't judge me for my verbage and accent. I love how he says "America", sounds just like my Dad, a true blue southerner who is a racist and bigot by his joke telling, but would give the shirt off his back to help anyone regardless of color or social status.......

Republicans - Less Government
Democrats - More Government

Actually, I have been very lucky since age 18 in my career with job and financial stability. I have seen no difference in who is President. People always ask the question, "were you better off with Clinton than Bush." I see no difference since Reagan days..........

just my opinion............

 

[Dave8812]

did you know that while clinton was in office, he launched several cruise missiles to the mideast, most of which were during all of that monica lewinski bullsh!t (and most of which didn't even hit what was intended, it mearly pissed people off. and was only a distraction so the monica thing didn't look so bad on his part). one of those hit a toy factory or something like that (hmmm... i never knew that clinton hated toys that much!?!?). i think that our presidents should be involved in our country (thats why their the president). not dealing with all of their personal matters. If clinton wanted to go and f**k a fat chick, he should have saved that untill after his term was over.

Who wants our next president to have all of these distractions. I'm not saying that every democrat is going to cheat on his wife, but all have the same incentive. If jon kerry is elected and he comes through with all the benifits he promises, and pulls the troops out of iraq, what will happen? were going to be sitting back and talking about how great our roads our, and how good our SS benefits are, and then... here comes a group of terrorists suicide bombers blowing themselves up on our front porch (and not to mention our higher taxes).

Bush must do what is needed to ensure our safety and freedom. i don't think anyone wants another 9-11

 

[Dave8812]

republicans=better jobs, more benefits, more ensured safety and freedom
democrats=better roads (maybe), and HIGHER TAXES

 

[Bryan330i]

1. America will continue to be the most prosperous nation with or without Bush.
2. Clinton could of done more on the Mid-East and terrorism.
3. Yes
4. Kick ass and take names later.........
5. No

Add on for Wil:

Every person has a certain way of talking depending on their environment and location in the United States. I dont judge a person's intellect by how they talk and hopefully they won't judge me for my verbage and accent. I love how he says "America", sounds just like my Dad, a true blue southerner who is a racist and bigot by his joke telling, but would give the shirt off his back to help anyone regardless of color or social status.......

Republicans - Less Government
Democrats - More Government

Actually, I have been very lucky since age 18 in my career with job and financial stability. I have seen no difference in who is President. People always ask the question, "were you better off with Clinton than Bush." I see no difference since Reagan days..........

just my opinion............

I agree, I have been very lucky also. I have 3 college degrees, BA and above, and have never known a life that many have experienced. I also agree with the better off part, there will always be cycles and issues beyond the control, or at least challenging for any administration.

 

[xLibelle]

im through with this thread, i just wanted to straighten out the idea that i was judging someone by the way they talk, which you have taken the wrong way. What i mean is from what i have heard him talk about in speaches, press talks, and what have you, everything that has come out of his mouth has been hot air. He has always talked this way, even 4 years ago. Saying things like america a great nation, we will prevail, we this, we that, i assure you this, terrorists watch out... all f*cking FLUFF!!!! NEVER have i heard him speak statistics and meaningful notions and it even sound intelligent. And i dont mean that by the way he talks.... what the f*ck! the way he talks? i am actually offended that you assume i judge by the sound of their voice!