Election determines fate of nation
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That's the dumbest thing I've seen. First off, why the HELL do I care what the athletes think? I'm sure some of them are college educated - but no way all of them are. I want to listen to those who've gone through college. It proves they have the thinking capability required to form a fairly educated opinion.
You posted a link off of "www.georgewbush.com" after stating "Quoted from an anti Bush web site, a great source!". I HATE the mentality CONSERVATIVES HAVE that the ONLY news sources that you can rely on are the CONSERVATIVE news sources. I hate how the CONSERVATIVES think THEIR WAY OF THINKING is the ONLY WAY of thinking.
Big Daddy, I also like this.
"the typical response from liberals"
"Did you read these articles or just glean what the liberals tell you from the headlines?"
"A no source link, most likely from the firefighters liberal union."
"Another Liberal misinformation. "
I really really like that last one. The Bush administration is the DEFINITION OF MISINFORMATION. I'm not saying that becuase of anything to do with "LIBERAL".
It's so interesting how you and every other pro-bush advocate says "It's Liberal" to say that an article, whichproves you/them wrong, is not reliable. The biggest problem I have with our government is they have not since day one given us reliable information.
One last thing, and I'm putting it orange so its not ignored, I want it answered.
You say that Bush's plans for America are better. My question is, since he's the president at the moment, WHY DOENST HE JUST CARRY OUT THOSE PLANS RIGHT NOW?!!!!? PROVE KERRY WRONG NOW! DUH DUH DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You people frustrate me. Maybe it's becuase I'm much younger than all of you, but doesn't it make sense that the person who's been in office for 4 years - royally screwed up a LOT of the stuff the 2 candidates are debating about - but never did fix any of those problems which by the way, all developed during his term in office?!?!??!!? ...and people are saying Bush has a better plan? Why would Bush wait till NOW to try to fix the stuff that's been messed up for the past 2 - 3 years? Retarded? My school district has a program that could help him think and act a little faste and more responsiblyr. They call it kindergarten.
You posted a link off of "www.georgewbush.com" after stating "Quoted from an anti Bush web site, a great source!". I HATE the mentality CONSERVATIVES HAVE that the ONLY news sources that you can rely on are the CONSERVATIVE news sources. I hate how the CONSERVATIVES think THEIR WAY OF THINKING is the ONLY WAY of thinking.
Big Daddy, I also like this.
"the typical response from liberals"
"Did you read these articles or just glean what the liberals tell you from the headlines?"
"A no source link, most likely from the firefighters liberal union."
"Another Liberal misinformation. "
I really really like that last one. The Bush administration is the DEFINITION OF MISINFORMATION. I'm not saying that becuase of anything to do with "LIBERAL".
It's so interesting how you and every other pro-bush advocate says "It's Liberal" to say that an article, whichproves you/them wrong, is not reliable. The biggest problem I have with our government is they have not since day one given us reliable information.
One last thing, and I'm putting it orange so its not ignored, I want it answered.
You say that Bush's plans for America are better. My question is, since he's the president at the moment, WHY DOENST HE JUST CARRY OUT THOSE PLANS RIGHT NOW?!!!!? PROVE KERRY WRONG NOW! DUH DUH DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You people frustrate me. Maybe it's becuase I'm much younger than all of you, but doesn't it make sense that the person who's been in office for 4 years - royally screwed up a LOT of the stuff the 2 candidates are debating about - but never did fix any of those problems which by the way, all developed during his term in office?!?!??!!? ...and people are saying Bush has a better plan? Why would Bush wait till NOW to try to fix the stuff that's been messed up for the past 2 - 3 years? Retarded? My school district has a program that could help him think and act a little faste and more responsiblyr. They call it kindergarten.
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my take...
Clinton = Democrat...
Bombing of WTC in 93, Clinton does nothing
Bush = Republican
Another terrositc attack on WTC by same people, Bush goes at it.
Kerry says he'll make it a better america, well what is this better america you are talking about, i think maybe kerry left his plans for a better america in gore's lock box.
ERIC - thats interesting you don't care what athlete's think, because i really dont' give a shit what actors/actresses think.
Also, i can't believe you guys still bitch and moan about iraq. do you not remember that both MI-6 and the Russians confirmed with us that they had WMD's. And crap, they didn't, but we did take down a leader who tortured thousands and thousands of people, i fail to see how that is bad.
and the military? i don't remember there being a draft. people have enlisted into our army, navy, and marine corps to do just what they are doing now.
I started watching Fox news a few months ago. The way i heard it described was "ultra conservative." i expected nothing more than kerry bashing and such. Not true at all, it was in fact almost balanced. They still pushed on bush for some crap his administration and he did, and still pushed on kerry for similar reasons. Ultra liberal, how about just balanced enough to piss of the other Bush-hating channels into coining them another name full of "spin"
this whole Bush/Cheney in it for the money thing is the biggest bunch of bullshit as well. The Carlyle groupd is run by Democrats, and Clinton supported building the oilpipeline through Afganistan, and hmmm, we didn't do much in 93 about that bombing did we. HMMMMMM HMMMM HMMM. Even when we knew almost exactly where Bin Laden was.
Bush might've failed for several months while in office before 9/11. But Clinton AND the Democrats failed for 8 years.
To say Bush is "dumb" is just ignorant.
My vote goes to Bush, a man who put a lot on the line to attack terrorism on its own soil. A man who put his political career in jeopardy to take action instead of wait for the next tragedy.
What was that quote earlier about knowing history, otherwise you're bound to repeat your mistakes? This is not true what you say here.
Now, why would the Republicans pretend nobody was arrested for the first WTC bombing? It's amazing how facts don't matter anymore to this Repbulican party. Why would they deliberately errase the fact that the CIA tried to assasinate Bin Ladin as far back as in the mid-90s? At the time, they faulted Clinton for bombing them (they pretended it was a diversion from their BJ witch hunt parade....now they say it never happened). During this election, the Repbulican spinsters just have no shame. How can facts from history just go missing so conveniently when it comes to conservative 'thinking?' The price we pay as a nation is an electorate of misinformed and mislead people. If Clinton had a hard time getting Osma, then what can be siad of Bush.....HE HASN'T CAUGHT HIM EITHER!!!!!!!!!! I guess that makes both of them failed presidents.
And why in the world would Bush want to run against Clinton's policies?.....oh, that's right....he can't run on his abysmal record. So they just make up shizzy, throw crap at the fan and see what sticks.
Now, why would the Republicans pretend nobody was arrested for the first WTC bombing? It's amazing how facts don't matter anymore to this Repbulican party. Why would they deliberately errase the fact that the CIA tried to assasinate Bin Ladin as far back as in the mid-90s? At the time, they faulted Clinton for bombing them (they pretended it was a diversion from their BJ witch hunt parade....now they say it never happened). During this election, the Repbulican spinsters just have no shame. How can facts from history just go missing so conveniently when it comes to conservative 'thinking?' The price we pay as a nation is an electorate of misinformed and mislead people. If Clinton had a hard time getting Osma, then what can be siad of Bush.....HE HASN'T CAUGHT HIM EITHER!!!!!!!!!! I guess that makes both of them failed presidents.
And why in the world would Bush want to run against Clinton's policies?.....oh, that's right....he can't run on his abysmal record. So they just make up shizzy, throw crap at the fan and see what sticks.
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frolf said:
yep... its allll the republicans.... not any of the democrats ![[rolleyes]](/images/smilies/rolleyes.png "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) [rolleyes]")
LOL...oh they do it too, no doubt. Anyone seen Paul Bilgala (sp?) on Crossfire?!? Ugggh.
But I haven't seen any Decomcrats loggin onto this site for their first time post with a huge conservative political rant of rhetorical nonsense. But if they have to resort to making stuff up to prove their points, I'll be all over them too! [bmwdance] [bmwdance]
Becucase the whole point of the two wars we are in - Afghanistan and Iraq - is to increase our national security. That was the whole reason we actually went to war. Well, our national security isnt any better than the WTC attacks in 1993 when clinton "did nothing." But how many people were killed in that attack?
Sweet, me either.
I don't know, but Bush is talking about how to improve the country. Why hasn't he already carried out these plans? My 7th grade english teacher used to say "Don't say you'll do it, just do it"
I never said anything about a draft.
Fox is VERY unbalanced. They CONSTANTLY interrupt guest speakers to keep them from saying what they want. Anyone who gets their political news from a network which is SPONSORED (campaign ads) by a/the candidate(s), is VERY ignorant.
Okay, but thats Clinton. Last I checked, Clinton isn't allowed to be on the ballot again... I just assumed it was Kerry. The simple fact is Bush - yes he took action, but he did it the wrong way, at the wrong time.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?! Are you insane?? Our country was in the best condition it has EVER been when clinton was in office. Economy, foreign relations, nearly everything was better pre-bush. Bush's dad screwed a LOT of stuff up - like a big deficite that Clinton's administration totally fixed. You're obviously not educated enough to form an opinion on Clinton's time in office. You don't like him and say stuff becuase he's not republican. If he were republican, you and big daddy would BOTH be saying "he was one of the best presidents we've ever had".
To say Bush is doing a GOOD job is ignorant. To say Bush's mistakes havent had a serious consequence, is ignorant.
We're attacking terrorism on their own soil? What? Since when? Oh yea, 2 years ago... my bad. Put his political career in jeopardy to take action? Hah. A real president would've put his political career in jeopardy to figure out a way to fix things without spending hundreds of billions of dollars on war, but using war as a last resort.
Last thing is we say its good we got Saddam out becuase he was killing his people. WE WERE KILLING HIS PEOPLE TOO. DOH!!!
Sweet, me either.
I don't know, but Bush is talking about how to improve the country. Why hasn't he already carried out these plans? My 7th grade english teacher used to say "Don't say you'll do it, just do it"
I never said anything about a draft.
Fox is VERY unbalanced. They CONSTANTLY interrupt guest speakers to keep them from saying what they want. Anyone who gets their political news from a network which is SPONSORED (campaign ads) by a/the candidate(s), is VERY ignorant.
Okay, but thats Clinton. Last I checked, Clinton isn't allowed to be on the ballot again... I just assumed it was Kerry. The simple fact is Bush - yes he took action, but he did it the wrong way, at the wrong time.
WHAT?!?!?!?!?! Are you insane?? Our country was in the best condition it has EVER been when clinton was in office. Economy, foreign relations, nearly everything was better pre-bush. Bush's dad screwed a LOT of stuff up - like a big deficite that Clinton's administration totally fixed. You're obviously not educated enough to form an opinion on Clinton's time in office. You don't like him and say stuff becuase he's not republican. If he were republican, you and big daddy would BOTH be saying "he was one of the best presidents we've ever had".
To say Bush is doing a GOOD job is ignorant. To say Bush's mistakes havent had a serious consequence, is ignorant.
We're attacking terrorism on their own soil? What? Since when? Oh yea, 2 years ago... my bad. Put his political career in jeopardy to take action? Hah. A real president would've put his political career in jeopardy to figure out a way to fix things without spending hundreds of billions of dollars on war, but using war as a last resort.
Last thing is we say its good we got Saddam out becuase he was killing his people. WE WERE KILLING HIS PEOPLE TOO. DOH!!!
oh god, let me get you a box of tissue.
hindsight is 20/20 buuuudddddy. If you don't give any credit at all to going to Iraq than you must at least say it was a Humanitarian war. Keep in mind we've found over 300000 bodies. And what about the Curds they seem to be pretty happy Saddam is gone.
Bush and the Patriot act have saved lives.
And to say that only Bush's actions would've brought about this "consequence, " (which i feel you are implying) is extremely ignorant. Hindsight is 20/20
wrong way wrong time, a comment that cliche gets no love from me.
Best condition ever - yeah, WTC towers were still standing.
hindsight is 20/20 buuuudddddy. If you don't give any credit at all to going to Iraq than you must at least say it was a Humanitarian war. Keep in mind we've found over 300000 bodies. And what about the Curds they seem to be pretty happy Saddam is gone.
Bush and the Patriot act have saved lives.
And to say that only Bush's actions would've brought about this "consequence, " (which i feel you are implying) is extremely ignorant. Hindsight is 20/20
wrong way wrong time, a comment that cliche gets no love from me.
Best condition ever - yeah, WTC towers were still standing.
Show me links to this information. I read the news, watch it on tv, read newsweek all the time, etc. I have yet to hear about 300,000 bodies being found. Again, My problem (as I said in my last post) is how they went about the problem. You "diss" clinton, but do you remember the whole Kuwait thing? Aparently not.
Actually, Frolf was right and wrong on the mass grave information. This has been all over the mass media.
Link
"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London.
The problem is that they have retracted this statement.. No firm forensic evidencxe.
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"We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London.
The problem is that they have retracted this statement.. No firm forensic evidencxe.
Kuwait - Iraq goes nutso about horizontal drilling
Bush gets 500000+ soldiers to push them back, along with allied forces
Kuwait goes to Martial law, then everything reopens again
Around election time (96-97) Iraq pushes back
Clinton saids 50000 troops in, and finally Iraq gives up.
wtf are you talking about
Bush gets 500000+ soldiers to push them back, along with allied forces
Kuwait goes to Martial law, then everything reopens again
Around election time (96-97) Iraq pushes back
Clinton saids 50000 troops in, and finally Iraq gives up.
wtf are you talking about
Wow, sounds like a tantrum. Nothing factual in the rant, and President Bush is carrying out those plans for America now. Name me one thing Mr. Kerry did during 20 years in the Senate? It does not take a genius to see that Kerry is backed by the Communist Party of America, George Soros, a hateful man hell bend on destroying America, Hollywood liberals like Michael Moore, and numerous others. Heck based on Kerry's supporters alone I cannot and will not be a part of that crowd!
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I was somewhat on the fence, giving Kerry an opportunity to convince me he was worth electing. But in the past month, everyday I find another reason not to vote for Kerry.
1. Last night he criticized Bush for saying that "perhaps the war on terror can never be won." Kerry then went on to say he GUARANTEES if he is elected he will do things to WIN the war on terror. The reporter questioned him and he repeated that he can WIN the war on terror if elected.
Anyone who has paid attention to history in the past 30 years knows DAMN WELL that the war on terror can NEVER be truly won. If you doubt this, look at the Israel/Palestine debacle. Determined, widely organized terrorists cannot be made to go away.
2. Kerry wants to move towards some sort of bigger government involvement in Health Care, nationalized or otherwise. When asked how he would fund it, he said that Bush's tax break for the 1% rich would be repealed and that would generate an additional $80 billion in taxes. This is a lie, and has been proven wrong by many sources.
The top 1 percent of earners pulled in an average $52,000 in tax breaks for 2003. There were approximately 128 million tax returns filed, so 1% of those is about 1.28 million returns, for a return of about $66 billion. Ooops, a $24 billion campaign promise mistake - what's $24 billion between friends?
He previously said that the SAME tax repeal would be used to fund the Social Security shortfall. You can't have it both ways.
Kerry is making campaign promises that he can't keep. And while Kerry comes across as smarter, more polished, a better debater, etc. it's exactly those traits that concern me - the smooth talking politician stereotype, I'm not convinced that he is sincere about his statements.
I don't like big government, and everything Kerry suggests will require bigger government to manage, patrol, regulate the programs. Big government is less efficient and consumes more tax revenue. Talk to someone from Canada about nationalized health care and how bad it is.
While I don't like a lot of the things Bush has done, I do believe he is sincere in his beliefs. IMHO, Bush is the lesser of two evils.
1. Last night he criticized Bush for saying that "perhaps the war on terror can never be won." Kerry then went on to say he GUARANTEES if he is elected he will do things to WIN the war on terror. The reporter questioned him and he repeated that he can WIN the war on terror if elected.
Anyone who has paid attention to history in the past 30 years knows DAMN WELL that the war on terror can NEVER be truly won. If you doubt this, look at the Israel/Palestine debacle. Determined, widely organized terrorists cannot be made to go away.
2. Kerry wants to move towards some sort of bigger government involvement in Health Care, nationalized or otherwise. When asked how he would fund it, he said that Bush's tax break for the 1% rich would be repealed and that would generate an additional $80 billion in taxes. This is a lie, and has been proven wrong by many sources.
The top 1 percent of earners pulled in an average $52,000 in tax breaks for 2003. There were approximately 128 million tax returns filed, so 1% of those is about 1.28 million returns, for a return of about $66 billion. Ooops, a $24 billion campaign promise mistake - what's $24 billion between friends?
He previously said that the SAME tax repeal would be used to fund the Social Security shortfall. You can't have it both ways.
Kerry is making campaign promises that he can't keep. And while Kerry comes across as smarter, more polished, a better debater, etc. it's exactly those traits that concern me - the smooth talking politician stereotype, I'm not convinced that he is sincere about his statements.
I don't like big government, and everything Kerry suggests will require bigger government to manage, patrol, regulate the programs. Big government is less efficient and consumes more tax revenue. Talk to someone from Canada about nationalized health care and how bad it is.
While I don't like a lot of the things Bush has done, I do believe he is sincere in his beliefs. IMHO, Bush is the lesser of two evils.
