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Who started this thread? It certainly was not the Mitsu' guy.

This is a free country -- well, it used to be. There are no threats of physical violence on his website. It is your basic run-of-the-mill harmless site. Think about it -- there is nothing on his site that warrants disclosing his personal info, and hacking into his site.

"..ignorance is bliss, as they say."

Did you know that Mitsubishi and Nissan led the charge of factory EFI turbo-charged sports cars into America? Datsun introduced its Turbo 280Z in 1981. Mitsubishi introduced its Starion in 1983.

His car was engineered for utilizing a turbo. Not some Ricer's turbo kit, that will eventually self-distruct. How good is Mitsubishi's engineering? My Starion has over 200K miles -- original turbo -- engine has never been rebuilt.

As a matter of fact, Porche and Mitsubishi shared engineering patents. Look closely -- the Starion has a close resemblence to the Porche 924 and 944.

"But you can't compare a turbo car to a non-turbo car. It's obvious yours is faster than a stock car. If you put a big enough turbocharger in a minivan it will be able to beat a lot of the cars on the road."

My point exactly. Once a person has driven a turbo-charged car, it becomes like a narcotic. It is very addictive and difficult to give up. Don't underestimate the torque and hp generated from a turbo-charged engine. Those figures that you read about in magazines are not even close.

Why am I posting here on this board?

I'm stuck in the 80's when every car in every showroom was turbo'ed. Heck, even computers and disposable razors were turbocharged. Now-a-days, turbo's are low-pressure and their intercoolers are smaller than most oil coolers. They are harmless. Tell your local dealerships -- "Bring back the real turbo's from the 80's"

Today's normally aspirated engines produce more HP than yesterday's turbo'ed engines. Why bring them back?

Gas mileage. My Starion with SOHC engine with crappy 80's EFI technology still gets 30 mpg on the highway (if I can keep my foot out of the throttle). Imagine what it would do utilizing today's technology.

Imagine how fast all your M3 and M5's would be, if an intercooled turbo-charged version was an option!!!!
 

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Hahahahaha.. its pretty funny reading all these posts about this subject.. Im actually a fan of BMWs but I own a Conquest/Starion. Over the years Ive come to realize that BMWs, particularly the M series are WAY OVERATED! No Ive never driven the latest E46 M3, in fact my only experience with that car was when one wouldnt start in the parking lot of a Fridays I was eating at and they had to call a tech to come and help them.. Sure the M- series cars may SEEM like the ultimate driving machine when you compare them to they cars they usually put them up against in the American car mags.. aka, Saabs, Volvos, MBs, Audis... but lets expand our horizons a bit.. go to any Barnes and Nobles and pick up any British car publication and you will come to realize the truth.. true they are great cars.. but put them up against some real performance cars and they wind up falling short.. On the road and the track.. particularly the track where they lap slower than cars in all price ranges.. from 30K Evos and WRXs to 100K 360s Modenas and 911s.. Hmm.. let me guess.. you are now crying.. well of course the Ferrari is going to be faster.. well duh.. the thing costs over 100K.. and you brag about the build quality of the M3 over the Starion.. WELL DUH.. the thing costs 3 times as much and the last Starion was built in 1989.. Dont get me wrong the M cars are nice.. I wouldnt mind having one.. but for 60k there are alot better cars out there for much less... As far as Mitsubishis are crap goes.. oh please.. you guys act as if BMWs are in the top 3 of the JD Power rankings.. I dont ever remember even seeing them in the top 10. 2 of my best friends have a 318 and a 325... sorry to say those cars are pieces of crap.. in the past year the 325 has been in the shop 3 times for repairs that still arent completely fixed.. why does she have to charge the A/C EVERY year?? In both cars the interiors are falling apart, aka pieces of trim falling off etc.. [hihi] Oh yeah.. how many World Rally Championships does BMW have??? Yeah thats what I thought.. Personally in my 1988 Chrysler Conquest Tsi with only 1000 dollars in mods(cat back exhaust, HKS EVC, and K&N filter) Ive wasted 5 M3s, 1 E30 and 4 E36s.. Given the choice, Id take the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 8 over any BMW out there today every time.. M killing performance on the street and the track.. for half the price.. Bottom line.. GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES!! [hihi]
 

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hmm, lets see:

"Those dumbass straight-line races don't mean shit when it comes to actual performance."

>>> I am into road racing. isnt that where the EURO-PION M3 is supposed to shine?

"sorry the only thing mitsubishi can do is build turbos, and the only good application of such turbos are in other cars"

>>>well i will have mitsubishi write an appoligy letter to BMW for building turbo cars.
maybe lingenfelter should also go complain to hennessy that his vipers have 2 more pistons.

have I every driven a BMW?

>>>no but I have rode in several. a few friends and coworkers own various M's. those things are dime a dozen here in L.A. how does me driving one make your cars any faster or slower?

"I hope you do realize that if you applied the ammount of turbo boost you have in your car to almost ANY BMW it would kill your car"

>>>if you boost a BMW to 30psi, you better run to germany to be able to catch the pistons shooting from the tailpipe.
 
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HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA, this thread keeps getting better. That's one thing I never do, call my posse to another board to defend me. But whatever, it's great entertainment![rofl]

This is just too much....Porsche and Mitsubishi share the same patents...OMG...this is just to much..Hahahahahahahah[rofl] [rofl] [rofl] [rofl] [rofl] [rofl] This thread may very well knock "candyapplered" from his ranking. [rofl]
 

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I hope you do realize that if you applied the ammount of turbo boost you have in your car to almost ANY BMW it would kill your car.

Bring it don't sing it pinky. If your car is so superior why aren't you out enjoying it instead of searching the net for naked 18yr old girls in pig tails. Oh, is it cause your mom has the car getting grocerys.
Seriously guys, if you even took the time to check out this dudes site you would see that he is a true car enthusiast. He actually owns a conquest he's not "looking for one". You jumped on the bandwagon to post on a topic created by a guy that drives a Pontiac Montana. WTF! is right. You're heads are so far up your asses that you can't recognize or appreciate any thing other than your Bimmers. "If the wheel dosen't fall on my foot when I take the lug studs off... its a piece of crap." Thats what you sound like. Oh wait I realize that joke will not make sense to 80% of you guys. I forgot BMW owners don't do thier own service work.
Before you start with... "you have never sat in a BMW" I have. I worked at a dealer ship for 10 years and my mother in law just bought an 03 528is. Its a nice car as it should be for that much money. Is it way over priced? Hell yeah. That dosen't mean I'm going to every Bimmer forum and talk smack about it.
Most of you guys don't even know what a conquest looks like or anything about it. Its obvious that some did'n know it was turbocharged from the factory. To that I say do your home work before you talk smack about a car you know nothing about. As for artinist calling his " posse " to back him up. He didn't have to, we take pride in the cars we drive and don't appreciate ignorant people like you talking smack about it. To that I say STFU and go back to your little coprate board meeting with you power tie and wait for 5 o'clock so you can drive home in your 1988 318i, the ultimate driving machine.[rolleyes]

PS Mike, is that you'r pu55y in you'r avitar?
 
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"Porsche and Mitsubishi share the same patents..."

It is common knowledge that Mitsubishi licensed their patents on 4 cylinder engine internals to Porche to be utilized in the 944. Porche licensed their patents on brake design to Mitsubishi to be utilized in the Starion.
 

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Personally, I wouldn't buy a BMW. I could very well afford one but I would rather spend the $800 a month on making my little 16 year old car run circles around cars 3x's the price. I have riden in many M3's and my friend's M5 and was not so impressed. You come to expect that sort of performance from high dollar cars. Just the other night my brother and I raped a spankin new M3 on the 118 fwy with the Sti. I'm sure he went home with his tail between his legs wondering why he seemed to be standing still at 120+. The truth is, there are about 100 other cars worth buying before a BMW and most for alot less than one. So in the mean time, while you guys are paying $200 for an oil change [hihi] I'll keep putting money into my yellow piggy bank. Hope to run into some of you fools on the street[wave]
 
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If anyone has not driven a factory production car employing an intercooled turbo-charged engine, I suggest visiting your local dealership and taking one of these cars out for a test drive...

Audi A6
http://www.audiusa.com/
http://www.carnuttv.com/roadtests/2003_audi_TT.htm
http://www.fantasycars.com/Audi_TT/audi_tt.html

Subaru WRX
http://www.imprezawrx.com/servlet/showroom?command=overview&model=IMPREZA&trim=WRX_SEDAN
http://www.steveparker.com/ROADTEST/2002_Subaru_Impreza_WRX.htm
http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/wrxnew.html


Mitsubishi Lancer EVO
http://www.mitsubishimotors.com/lancerevolution/
http://www.carnuttv.com/roadtests/2003_mitsubishi_lancer_evo.htm
http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/evo7.html

I have been waiting many years for BMW to sell an intercooled turbo-charged car in the U.S. market.

Don't believe what you read in the car magazines. A person can't simply purchase a bolt-on turbo kit and go. In addition to turbo, intercooler, and intake pipes, other concerns must be addressed...

1) oil squirters are needed to cool cylinder walls for each piston.

2) low-compression ratio pistons are needed to run safely at boost levels above 3-4 psi.

3) knock sensor/ignition/ecu must be programmed to retard timing when engine is running lean.

4) ignition/ecu must be programmed to retard timing to corresponding levels of boost

5) fuel pump/regulator/injectors must be designed to meet demands to run safely at boost levels over 3-4 psi.

Mercedes entered the forced induction market with their Kompressor engines. When will BMW join in?
 
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"BMW did make a turbo powered car IN 1973."

Yes, I am aware of that. Maybe, I'm not making my point very clear.

I am shopping for a brand-new car. As I said in my previous post, my fun car has over 200K miles and is starting to show signs of age.

I would like an EFI intercooled- turbocharged engine, just like my Starion. I would consider Audi, Saab, Volvo, or VW, except that...

I would like rear wheel drive with fully independent suspension, just like my Starion. I would consider BMW or Mercedes, except that I would like an EFI intercooled-turbocharged engine...

I am not here to create any trouble. Just like I go to the Audi, Volvo, and Saab boards to ask why they don't have a RWD car with independent LSD rear suspension. Why doesn't BMW sell a car with an intercooled-turbocharged engine?
 
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See the reason BMW doesn't make a turbo powered engine is because this company sells to a wider range then guys in their 20's. Imagine a retired 65 year old professor driving around in a turbocharged 750il with a blowoff valve, see my point it's stupid.

Then there's me, I'd like to swap a 3.2 liter M3 engine in my car, I may or may not supercharge it. I don't care as much about reliability so it wouldn't effect me as much.
 
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heck, so bmw does not build a turbo charged model at the moment, except the diesel engines,. you know that, so why do you even bother? i mean, you seem to have your preferences straight. go after them and stop harrassing us.
it was said that people from this board visited his site and started bashing at him for it. well, nobody invited you to come here either. don't complain about what we do is wrong while your behaviour is no different.
last but not least, nobody hacked his site. that contact information is public and everyone can access it. all it needs is the right knowledge to do so.

personally i give a damn if a 25 years ols ricer can run circles around an M3. i could not care less. there are always guys that are faster, stronger, more intelligent and beautiful than me. so what? let them be happy with it and bottom line, it's all in the eyes of each own.

peace!

Tim (some one wants my address now? [hihi])
 
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See the reason BMW doesn't make a turbo powered engine is because this company sells to a wider range then guys in their 20's. Imagine a retired 65 year old professor driving around in a turbocharged 750il with a blowoff valve, see my point it's stupid.

Then there's me, I'd like to swap a 3.2 liter M3 engine in my car, I may or may not supercharge it. I don't care as much about reliability so it wouldn't effect me as much.
The REAL reason why BMW doesn't make cars with turbos or superchargers is because they believe they are shortcuts to power... which is true. I actually read this in a magazine (I think it was Car & Driver). As for these mediocre ricers that have been on this site lately - GET THE HELL OFF OF OUR SITE. Bottom line is BMW and Mercedes are the best cars in the world. They actually do research and create new technologies to make their cars better (unlike the Japanese, who steal from them mercilessly). I know it may be hard for some of you ricers to understand this, but a 0.004 liter engine running 300hp isn't as fast as you think. Not only to they lack in torque, but if you drive it for about 2 minutes at 110mph+ speeds, say bye-bye to the engine.[thumb]
 
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Hahahahaha.. its pretty funny reading all these posts about this subject.. Im actually a fan of BMWs but I own a Conquest/Starion. Over the years Ive come to realize that BMWs, particularly the M series are WAY OVERATED! No Ive never driven the latest E46 M3, in fact my only experience with that car was when one wouldnt start in the parking lot of a Fridays I was eating at and they had to call a tech to come and help them.. Sure the M- series cars may SEEM like the ultimate driving machine when you compare them to they cars they usually put them up against in the American car mags.. aka, Saabs, Volvos, MBs, Audis... but lets expand our horizons a bit.. go to any Barnes and Nobles and pick up any British car publication and you will come to realize the truth.. true they are great cars.. but put them up against some real performance cars and they wind up falling short.. On the road and the track.. particularly the track where they lap slower than cars in all price ranges.. from 30K Evos and WRXs to 100K 360s Modenas and 911s.. Hmm.. let me guess.. you are now crying.. well of course the Ferrari is going to be faster.. well duh.. the thing costs over 100K.. and you brag about the build quality of the M3 over the Starion.. WELL DUH.. the thing costs 3 times as much and the last Starion was built in 1989.. Dont get me wrong the M cars are nice.. I wouldnt mind having one.. but for 60k there are alot better cars out there for much less... As far as Mitsubishis are crap goes.. oh please.. you guys act as if BMWs are in the top 3 of the JD Power rankings.. I dont ever remember even seeing them in the top 10. 2 of my best friends have a 318 and a 325... sorry to say those cars are pieces of crap.. in the past year the 325 has been in the shop 3 times for repairs that still arent completely fixed.. why does she have to charge the A/C EVERY year?? In both cars the interiors are falling apart, aka pieces of trim falling off etc.. [hihi] Oh yeah.. how many World Rally Championships does BMW have??? Yeah thats what I thought.. Personally in my 1988 Chrysler Conquest Tsi with only 1000 dollars in mods(cat back exhaust, HKS EVC, and K&N filter) Ive wasted 5 M3s, 1 E30 and 4 E36s.. Given the choice, Id take the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO 8 over any BMW out there today every time.. M killing performance on the street and the track.. for half the price.. Bottom line.. GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES!! [hihi]
Personally I think that half of what is written above is bullshit. Oh, and how many F1 championships does Mitsubishi have? Yeah, that's what I thought.
 
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Bring it don't sing it pinky. If your car is so superior why aren't you out enjoying it instead of searching the net for naked 18yr old girls in pig tails. Oh, is it cause your mom has the car getting grocerys.
Seriously guys, if you even took the time to check out this dudes site you would see that he is a true car enthusiast. He actually owns a conquest he's not "looking for one". You jumped on the bandwagon to post on a topic created by a guy that drives a Pontiac Montana. WTF! is right. You're heads are so far up your asses that you can't recognize or appreciate any thing other than your Bimmers. "If the wheel dosen't fall on my foot when I take the lug studs off... its a piece of crap." Thats what you sound like. Oh wait I realize that joke will not make sense to 80% of you guys. I forgot BMW owners don't do thier own service work.
Before you start with... "you have never sat in a BMW" I have. I worked at a dealer ship for 10 years and my mother in law just bought an 03 528is. Its a nice car as it should be for that much money. Is it way over priced? Hell yeah. That dosen't mean I'm going to every Bimmer forum and talk smack about it.
Most of you guys don't even know what a conquest looks like or anything about it. Its obvious that some did'n know it was turbocharged from the factory. To that I say do your home work before you talk smack about a car you know nothing about. As for artinist calling his " posse " to back him up. He didn't have to, we take pride in the cars we drive and don't appreciate ignorant people like you talking smack about it. To that I say STFU and go back to your little coprate board meeting with you power tie and wait for 5 o'clock so you can drive home in your 1988 318i, the ultimate driving machine.[rolleyes]

PS Mike, is that you'r pu55y in you'r avitar?
Last time I checked there's no such thing as a 03 528is, shows how long you really worked at a BMW dealership. By the way, I do my own service work on my car, which is very rare because BMW is a real car, unlike that Starion or whatever the hell it's called.
 

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Bring it don't sing it pinky. If your car is so superior why aren't you out enjoying it instead of searching the net for naked 18yr old girls in pig tails. Oh, is it cause your mom has the car getting grocerys.
Seriously guys, if you even took the time to check out this dudes site you would see that he is a true car enthusiast. He actually owns a conquest he's not "looking for one". You jumped on the bandwagon to post on a topic created by a guy that drives a Pontiac Montana. WTF! is right. You're heads are so far up your asses that you can't recognize or appreciate any thing other than your Bimmers. "If the wheel dosen't fall on my foot when I take the lug studs off... its a piece of crap." Thats what you sound like. Oh wait I realize that joke will not make sense to 80% of you guys. I forgot BMW owners don't do thier own service work.
Before you start with... "you have never sat in a BMW" I have. I worked at a dealer ship for 10 years and my mother in law just bought an 03 528is. Its a nice car as it should be for that much money. Is it way over priced? Hell yeah. That dosen't mean I'm going to every Bimmer forum and talk smack about it.
Most of you guys don't even know what a conquest looks like or anything about it. Its obvious that some did'n know it was turbocharged from the factory. To that I say do your home work before you talk smack about a car you know nothing about. As for artinist calling his " posse " to back him up. He didn't have to, we take pride in the cars we drive and don't appreciate ignorant people like you talking smack about it. To that I say STFU and go back to your little coprate board meeting with you power tie and wait for 5 o'clock so you can drive home in your 1988 318i, the ultimate driving machine.[rolleyes]

PS Mike, is that you'r pu55y in you'r avitar?
I might not own a bmw yet but 10 bucks says i'm still a better driver than you.
 

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Btw i never went searching for your site, a few people i know on the 3si.org forum told me about your site saying how much crap it was. It seems like atleast 80% of 3si.org likes bmw's for what they are and realizes that people dont buy a bmw for the thrill of a 1/4 mile (that awesome 10 - 15 second thrill [rolleyes]) So i posted it here.
 


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