aftermarket upgrades shortens engine lifespan

[xLibelle]

I am embarrased in the reception of Honda guy from you guys. He makes some comments to back his game in racing a honda and you disect his posts word for word.
He doesnt look like a ricer and the only people that look immature are the ones that bring up unjust remarks like google search: hunda sucks/bmw sucks (funny, none the less) (and im not singling anyone out with that example... was just a good one).

All i hear him ask our opinion was about aftermarket upgrades and he never mentioned the difference with bmw and honda. So if you all dont mind, Kirby has the right idea.
Post/link the article. I had a comment to question the article.... cant remember what it was now.



sorry guys, just thought we should keep a rep. for us and the board. he was looking for info on an M coupe, let him spread the word he found what he was looking for here, not a fight.

 

[mrferg]

I am embarrased in the reception of Honda guy from you guys. He makes some comments to back his game in racing a honda and you disect his posts word for word.
He doesnt look like a ricer and the only people that look immature are the ones that bring up unjust remarks like google search: hunda sucks/bmw sucks (funny, none the less) (and im not singling anyone out with that example... was just a good one).

All i hear him ask our opinion was about aftermarket upgrades and he never mentioned the difference with bmw and honda. So if you all dont mind, Kirby has the right idea.
Post/link the article. I had a comment to question the article.... cant remember what it was now.



sorry guys, just thought we should keep a rep. for us and the board. he was looking for info on an M coupe, let him spread the word he found what he was looking for here, not a fight.

Good for you, making the peace! Seriously c'mon people, can't we all just GET ALONG?????



QuickCivicGuy-

Personally I'm not really into the whole sport compact thing, but I commend ya for making a drag Civic, that must have been ALOT of work!

 

[ooo000HITMAN000ooo]

I cant believe how most have treated him just because he has a honda....

The honda dosent look like a rice car i mean no hige spolier or a snow plow on the front...

You guys might as well call my a ricer because i drive a mazda...And thats just not right

If i have made any post that where rude or mean i am sorry Civic guy...

 

[Timmeh]

Quick Civic Guy

I just bought my M3 on August 29th. As an owner of an exceedingly expensive car and a somewhat expensive home(820+), I think I've seen two sides of life- coming from a family with no money, only a high school education, I am disgusted with the bull---- I'm hearing about bmw's being all that and the f-cking bag of damn chips. Unless these guys are living under rocks, every other civic now runs 700+ hp and will take my brand new M3 on any green light, PERIOD. I think anyone who gives you crap about class and not in the same league blah blah-- BS, PLEASE Pay no attention. I like and apreciate your views, and your question deserves a full and intelligent answer. If I read correctly your being deployed? If so you have my full and unwaivering support.
As far as the M3 goes, the car is fantastic in the way the powerband is very usable for most road use and even more applicable to track(not drag) courses. For curvy mountain roads, one of the best money can buy. When your ready, DO NOT BUY FROM HARLOFF BMW in Encinitas, CA. ANY Questions feel free to Private message me and I'll give you warnings about BMW as a company. Unbelievably lame service. Can't touch Toyota/Lexus.
Mods. I'm hearing about superchargers, chips, intake, and exhaust. Numbers vary, but the members who don't have a stick up their butts can tell you fairly accurate HP numbers. I thought I heard the supercharger with chip gets you 478 HP. Must be pricey, but if you have the need for speed, what can one say. As far as life span of modded M3, I can't imagine it would'nt affect lifespan adversly, but the members generally know as much as BMWNA. I know Dinan warranties all ther "upgrade" to match the BMW factory warranties as AMG does for Mercedes. GOOD LUCK.

 

[gusgar]

Colombia will be the first place with a "BimmerCab". Due to my hard economic situation, I decided to paint my '97 328i Yellow. The price for each mile ride will be US$ 10, for sure I´ll have many customers that will be happy feeling inside my beloved old car. Ah!! have you ever tryed to carry four passengers and still feel your car has an engine inside?




Be happy

GUS

 

[gusgar]

VOILA!! I just found the first two customers for an all night ride, I had no time to re-paint the car, but they seems to be happy!!

As a promise this will be a FREE!! ride

GUS

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

my original opinon on upgrades will always be the same.......if you really want to enjoy a car it must be modified....the quality of the parts is more a determining factor which many people over look because of price.

A really good header for my car is about 750-1000....well worth the money....most guys wont spend more than $300.....a header will in no way shape or form hurt the engine but with tuning could be one of the biggest gains you will see on a naturally aspirated motor.

People just really dont know when it comes to serious mods...its not like slap it on and boom instant power....its a practice much like a doctor you dont encounter the same problems in the same types of procedures...the trick is the choices you make to correct them before them become life threatning.

A turbo on its own will never "kill" an engine but it will produce increased wear due to the sheer power it capable of producing from thin air. Most modern engines with synthetic oil will last 200,000 miles or more....its the small things that dont last as long and will need replacement.....oil pumps, water pumps, valves and valve springs, rockers etc....these are all wear items that no matter how slow you drive....are going to wear down.

Considering most engines sell for less than 5-6K one could replace a worn motor much easier than taking it apart, buying the worn small crap and reaplacing it....especially if labor is $160 an hour....its all relative.

If your going to mod your car you have to decide whether or not you plan on keeping it, I dont buy cars unless I love them and want to keep them.....when parts replacement comes around its just money going towards keeping the car longer and enjoying more of the same enjoyment.....which is the entire reason I bought the car.

If you think "If I mod then the value of the car goes down" the only value that could possibly get hurt is resale....but if you plan on keeping it anyway....you wont sell it...or lose money.

99% of modded cars (speed wise) are more enjoyable than stock as long as you take your time and use your head.....if you think 7 sec 0-60 is fun what if your car could cut 4.5's.....do you really think your gonna worry about resale when slamming the gas produces a smile....

At the very least some Hartage wheels, H&R cup kit and Dinan chip should be on the mod list....stick with quality name brand components and enjoying raising the cars fun factor

 

[Bimmubishi]

I'M WITH CIVIC GUY ON THIS.

Anyone who thinks that their 10 year old BMW is a better car than a new honda civic needs a slap. They're more reliable, better gas mileage, built to higher emissions standards and for less money.

Bunch of elitist snobs you guys are.

(next post coming in a minute)

 

[Bimmubishi]

Pushakov, I can't understand your atitude. You're very immature.
Doesn't belong here? Why, because you guys are knowledgeable and he's not? I don't think so. He offered advice and someone jumped on him because of his handle. F that. This forum is the lamest, least mature and informative that I've EVER been on. You brag about money, give me a fu7king break. Who does that?

Generalizations are usually the result of lacking knowledge and you guys prove it everyday.

Did anyone here watch the last few years of SCCA Pro Challenge? Real time Acura swept the BMWs all the time. (And I'm friends with Turner and still saying this)

Dinan55 why don't you be a little more patronizing- dick. I'm embarassed to be a part of this group.

Alex

BMW 320i Calloway Turbo (1/5)
E30 M3 1988 Hennarot
BMW 318i Mitsu power
1987 Mazda Rx7
1991 Galant VR4 330whp
1987 Honda CRX for autocross

 

[Abdoman]

Questions feel free to Private message me and I'll give you warnings about BMW as a company. Unbelievably lame service. Can't touch Toyota/Lexus.

Timmeh - I have had nothing but excellent service from BMW and my dealer - service is definately location specific.

quickcivicguy - This board constantly rips perceived ricers - sorry. This board, most of the time, isn't about what you drive, but the discussion of BMWs. Several of the members are not BMW owners.

As for the difference between Hondas and Bimmers. I have had two Hondas - excellent cars, but I have had 5 BMWs. BMWs simply hold up better in the long run. With this comment I mean that when I get in my 97' 5 series no one, I mean no one knows that it has 122k. When I get in my dad's 2000 Honda Accord V6 with 27k, it already shows as much wear inside as my car does. I don't think you will be disappointed with an M3.

Now, about this topic, think about it - if you pull more HP and more torque from an engine, then you add additional stress and force to almost all components. I'm a mechanical engineer and I don't have any doubt that mods can shorten the engine life span. By how much? It depends on the driver. If you mod a car and drive it hard, it will shorten the life a greater amount that if the car did not have mods. If you mod a car and never really get on it, it probably won't matter. For that reason, I will never buy a car that has mods.

 

[junglestylz]

I know that my car isn't better, but I would rather have it than a 1995 Civic. Just like I would rather have a 1993 325is than a brand new Civic Si. It is a choice of taste. The most reliable, cheap to fix car I have ever owned was my 1997 VW Jetta VR6, so why is that not up there in resale¿ There is no reason to jump on this guys head if he owns a Honda. He shows interest in buying a BMW, and that is what should matter in this forum. I, personally, just would never buy a Honda.

 

[PuShAkOv]

if you really want to enjoy a car it must be modified..

Sounds like a true ricer statement to me.

However, I cannot blame you since you have a HONDA and HAVE to modify the car to get any pleasure out of it. We BMW owners do not have to spend a fortune tunning our cars since we get get a bundle of satisfaction of driving it as it is... but even if you do want to mod a BMW... few things will be sufficient or you be a nightmare.

I just do not understand why people buy cheap cars and spend a fortune on upgrading them to be real performers... I would rather combine the money and get a true winner out of it (both performance wise and appearance wise).

I mean... why overload a ponny when you can buy a horse? Why replace car's engine (extra 5-6K) after 5 years when you can get a better car in the first place and keep it for much longer.... weird.

What do you think Civic?

 

[Bimmubishi]

"We BMW owners do not have to spend a fortune tunning our cars since we get get a bundle of satisfaction of driving it as it is... "


I own a BMW, actually 3 and I disagree with you to the fullest. The 6 billion dollar a year aftermarket disagrees with you too.

Why do people buy simple cars and then spend a lot of money modifying them? Because they can. Because they enjoy it. If you don't or can't, well that's your thing. Just keep bringing it in for service.

Pushakov, my car's faster than yours in a straight line and in the twisties, it weighs less and I pay about 1/3 the insurance rate that your car carries. It only cost 6k. What does that mean (your world's upside down)

European car owners invented rice so drop the holier than thou attitude.

Where did big wheels come from? DTM. Where did clear lights come from? "Eurostyle" (which isn't even the way they are in most European countries)

The E30 M3 has a body kit, probably one of the first that inspired a whole aftermarket trend.

HID lights, loud exhaust, it all comes from the euro tuner set so step off your pedastal and into your precious 330.

 

[junglestylz]

True, true. I started with the beetle man. However, there is such a thing as taking something and overdoing it. I personally can't understand why anybody would ever want their car to sound like a powertool, but maybe I'm just not hip. hehe

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

[fake] I prefer the M coupe over the Me simply because of the M coupe character and overall dynamic.....I like to the minimalist nature of the Coupe....

I dont really take offense to alot of the "holier tha thou" stuff .....I am from SoCal and I grew up on the coast in a "posh" neighborhood.....private clubs, 7 figure homes and countless number of german italian and japanese "luxury" cars.

In my experience with "luxury" autos (Mom likes Benz....dad is a old school ford guy) they are put together well, drive very smooth and have some pretty cool bells and whistles.....but are way to posh for my tastes right now. I like to feel the road, my tires letting go and being able to corner at twice the reccomended speed or more....I could care less what badge is on the hood....I care more about chassis layout (MR, FR,FF etc...) than how much I paid for it.

WHen I am home on leave and drving the Benz its nice no doubt but every time I see the oceanside twisties I long for my car and being able to rip some canyons.....yes I get looks in the $$$ car....but they are all fake people...not the types I particularly care for...when I see younger people in posh cars bought by their parents I am a little envious but as soon as they open their mouth with "a civic, what a POS".....I quickly pity them and proceed to leave a nice white cloud of smoke for them to suck on....I am sadened by new money idiots who think "status" buys them respect.....everyone can tell who has money...and who just came into money in the past 5-10 years....my father is a prime example...T-shirt, shorts and flip flops when he is not working....does that make him a "poor guy" cause he chooses not to wear designer clothes to the grocery store?

My uncle is the same way....worth well over 7 figurures but drives a Camry....so all of a sudden that makes him "less" of a man? I think not...

Thanks for time and if anyone has an M coupe (not M3) PM me with your thoughts on it both good and bad.

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

Sounds like a true ricer statement to me.

However, I cannot blame you since you have a HONDA and HAVE to modify the car to get any pleasure out of it. We BMW owners do not have to spend a fortune tunning our cars since we get get a bundle of satisfaction of driving it as it is... but even if you do want to mod a BMW... few things will be sufficient or you be a nightmare.

I just do not understand why people buy cheap cars and spend a fortune on upgrading them to be real performers... I would rather combine the money and get a true winner out of it (both performance wise and appearance wise).

I mean... why overload a ponny when you can buy a horse? Why replace car's engine (extra 5-6K) after 5 years when you can get a better car in the first place and keep it for much longer.... weird.

What do you think Civic?

I think I will take my M5 powered M coupe and laugh at you and your "just leave it stock" attitude...........like I said one day when you actually start to "compete" and ejoy DRIVING youll realize stock everything only goes so far and winning becomes more important than having an extra cupholder

If you have never been in a fast car ie 11 sec car or quicker I suggest you try it.....its much more fun than putting along thinking your gods gift to humanity because you bought a 30K car......stock is boring and the car has no soul......to make it truly yours you must customise to reflect yourself.....a stock 3 series....all I see is a guy wanting to floss a BMW badge and doesnt mind being slow.....

My CIvic for your visual clue if you had the knowledge to recognize it

Forged wheels
Track suspension
Agressive tires
2300lbs and 175whp or 210-215hp
No back seats
8600 rpm fuel cut
160mph capable

Do you think I am trying to impress people that cant even tell me the difference between caster and camber? I am too busy taking this car to redline to worry about what mister barely passed drivers ed thinks.

 

[Kirby]

European car owners invented rice so drop the holier than thou attitude.

Where did big wheels come from? DTM. Where did clear lights come from? "Eurostyle" (which isn't even the way they are in most European countries)

The E30 M3 has a body kit, probably one of the first that inspired a whole aftermarket trend.

HID lights, loud exhaust, it all comes from the euro tuner set so step off your pedastal and into your precious 330.

I was trying to stay out of this but I can't anymore. Body kits, loud exhaust on small cars, big wheels, pre-HID lights have been around before a lot of the people in this discussion were in diapers! NONE of it is a EUROTUNER invention.
Body Kits - Barris Dune buggy, all sorts of Corvette fiberglas body kits (anyone ever hear of the Mako Shark Kit for the 'vette?) in the '60s/'70s, IROC kits for stock '70s Camaros, Cobra kits for Mustangs in the '70s and '80s.
Loud Fart Can Exhausts - VW bug, Triumph, Fiat, MG from the 60's and 70's
HID lights - Didn't exist, but CIBIE has been making high intensity lighting since the '60s.
Big Wheels - Ever hear of Cragar?

Whether you guys realize it or not, this started big time in the Good Old US about 45 years ago.

 

[junglestylz]

The fart can exhausts that you describe for Triumph actually wasn't designed to be that loud. It was the pitch of the engine going through a high flow exhaust that resonated like that. People nowadays buy exhausts to do nothing more than make their car sound like that. We have already established that not all body kits are ricey. The Mako is definately not ricey. Their is a little difference with 6the Cragars as well. You look at the RWHP that those cars were putting out stock, and the amount of torque, you need more rubber on the road.

 

[QuickCivicGuy]

The fart can exhausts that you describe for Triumph actually wasn't designed to be that loud. It was the pitch of the engine going through a high flow exhaust that resonated like that. People nowadays buy exhausts to do nothing more than make their car sound like that. We have already established that not all body kits are ricey. The Mako is definately not ricey. Their is a little difference with 6the Cragars as well. You look at the RWHP that those cars were putting out stock, and the amount of torque, you need more rubber on the road.

So is a $600 stainless steel exhaust that was designed to be used on the N1 circuit count as a "fart can".......when my motor is spinning 8600rpm with a straight through 2.5" exaust its gonna be loud......regardless of canister

Most people buy knock off N1 canisters and obviously the quality effects the sound with a raspy sound but the point was to increase exhaust flow .....not really sound....sound is the side effect

Ricers only notice side effects and try to imulate them without understanding the rationale behind the original modifications and their true need

 

[dsobering47]

i'm going to ignore the whole ricer/bmw argument, and go back to the topic.....I think an engine might run even better if you have some better modifications. Take my 325is for example.....the OEM radiator wasnt as good as it could be (Ex.: it would leak) so i bought an aluminum one and now it keeps my cool and my engine the same. Same with suspension: if you were to upgrade to strut bars and add some stiffer components, then i believe it would not only perform better, but would help the chassis stiffness/flex. I dont know what that has to do with the engine , so i'll stop typing.

i personally dont care if you drive a Honda, or a BMW, if your car is faster/slower........thats why i care about, not what is glued to the front.

you guys should just chill and realize how stupid you are being

call me names if you want, but i couldnt care less.......i drive a 1987 325is and i love it. I need to put some money into it, but i still think it matters how you like your car.....not how you hate someone elses.

have a nice day