Sad VERY VERY Sad

[jszar]

i didnt understand whaat you meant in your post Eric, if it was directed toward me.

i would never kill women or children, thats the whole point it flames me when i see that stuff, its sick.

its not/shouldnt be a matter of of politics at this point. if it were up to me, the whole world would get involved and cover every inch of land until every person that had been witnessed commiting such a sick crime was hanged.

 

[tool fan]

though their (the terrorists') actions were completely unacceptable, radical, and a detriment to everybody... dont let ourselves be just as radical or destructive, war has been waged in Chechnya for 5 years now, the province is a complete waste land and Grozny looks like Stalingrad... my point being that it takes two to make a war happen, and we should not let ourselves spiral out of control to the point that things do in fact become worse and more situations like this occur... fight smart, not with force, and not with fire

I understand and respect your view, however during my tenur as a soldier in the COMBAT ARMS wing of our military for 12 years, I was deployed to several "shit holes". Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo. I have seen just how far idle threats and diplomacy go.....when dealing with these type of scum they understand one thing VIOLENCE...force with force. The only reason things are spinning out of control in Iraq right now is because we are trying to let diplomacy prevail. If you actually believe that the Al-Sadr or Zaqawi militia could actually put up a fight against the U.S. warmachine...you ARE sadly mislead. The only reason so many soldiers are being killed is because we are not running in balls to the wall killing every mother freakin' person we see. There is NO force out there right now that could even give the U.S. a run for their money as far as combat power goes. We (in my opinion) are not fighting smart in Iraq. If (back in March) when the 4 civilians were killed , burned, beheaded and hung from that bridge in Falluja, we woulded acted decisively and leveled that town...we would not have these issues right now. We would have been "nipping it in the bud" so to speak. Don't forget....it took almost 200 years to get a good democratic government into place in the U.S. This in Iraq is not going to happen overnight. Democracy is a violent process ...history will tell you that. Irregardless of what the news tells you, Iraq is in a better state now, than it was 2 years ago. I am not talking out of my ass here. I am in contact with soldiers down range everyday. Don't forget I work on a military installation. I hear and see the real facts, not the facts the news presents YOU with.

 

[panzershreck]

hmmm, perhaps i should have further explained myself...

by force, i mean using full-blown military invasions and strikes, they just dont work in situations like Iraq, Chechnya, etc. where you are at odds with the people, and the people are at odds with you, and in such dynamic places like the middle east where it is so easy for people to change sides on a whim and for political angst to literally cause terrorism, insurgents, rebels, etc., full blown military operations and invasions are suicide...

at the same time, as I said, Russia has brought alot of this on itself, as we have as well... which brings me to my point of fight smart and not with fire, you can go about killing every enemy in the world, but it will only create more enemies, Chechnya being the ultimate example of "it takes two to make a war happen", you dont think the Russians are being compassionate about Chechans? they want to win, and killing off all enemies is the name of the game (politics being the instigator of it all), and the end result is a World War 2 similar landscape of total destruction, this has only served to gain supporters for the Chechan rebels and their terrorist backers (and who can really blame them? if somebody turned NYC into annihilated Stalingrad, i would be just as willing to defend myself, albeit their ways of fighting are different)...

use diplomacy when it can be used, use as many covert operations as possible, get people in there to strike at things from the inside, use politics to force regimes to crack down on these people... anything overt only serves to make things worse in the end, and our ability to drop lots of bombs on other countries is more than enough to cause the radical minds of some middle easterners to do the worst they can...

(and at the same time, dont let yourselves become them, dont go about with the idea of willing to die to kill them, that is exactly how they think, and is exactly how we lose)

this is a completely different war, more so a psychological war than one of brute force and immediate results... it just doesnt work like that anymore

at least... thats my opinion...

 

[tool fan]

True and very well said, I do better understand your view now.

 

[jszar]

however panzershreck, if you think the world will last without enemies, i think you're sadly mistaken. there will always be idiots in this world, we just have to worry about the violent ones.

 

[xLibelle]

This is all i have to say

 

[Tom]

This is all i have to say

hehe, funny vid.

 

[Kirby]

I got that in my Email the other day. I almost fell off my chair laughing - it reminded me of some of the old classic Monty Python stuff.

 

[tool fan]

That is pretty funny........