Powell Rejects North Korean Demand on U.S.

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I would bite my own balls if Bush invades Korea; that is to say i don't believe that he'll do it. The Clinton admin. proved that taking a hard-line approach to Korea (as Bush does) does not work and that they respond much more favourably to engagement. The first nuclear crisis in Korea was avoided through diplomacy and engagement, after all.

I'm totally flabbergasted as to why Bush pursues international issues with such blatant unilateralism. He will only alienate the USA from the rest of the world...
 
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wood_e said:
Doesn't N. Korea have one of the largest armies in the world?
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It has a lot of troops but they are inadequately equipped and their armies are not mechanised like modern ones should be. They are only really a threat because George W. Bush made them one.
 
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Chesty Bonds said:
It has a lot of troops but they are inadequately equipped and their armies are not mechanised like modern ones should be. They are only really a threat because George W. Bush made them one.
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I'm not going to get in a discussion about politics, but if you ever visit South Korea, add two to the list who feel North Korea is a big threat and a threat that is taken very seriously.
 
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Yeah i really don't want to start WW3 but North Korea is NOT a great threat. N Korea is simply responding to the aggressive unilateral doctrine promoted by Bush. If you're interested read this journal article: Roland Bleiker, “A Rogue is a Rogue is a Rogue: US foreign policy and the Korean nuclear crisis” v79 (2003).

N Korea responded very favourably Clinton's engagement doctrine which effectively staved off the first nuclear crisis there. Pyongyang has only bristled since Bush's idiotic 'axis of evil' speech. What does this tell us? This tells us that the neo-cons (Wolfowitz, Perle et. al.) threaten American hegemony by creating division throughout the world and their heavy reliance on their doctrine of preemptive strikes as expressed within the "National Strategy to Combat Weapons of Mass Destruction" (Dec 2002) is simply unworkable. Their doctrine is a complete and utter failure and to see the evidence then look no further than Iraq.
 
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skandalous said:
Or because their leader is wildly insane.
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No doubt the man is very eccentric but he simply would not risk war with the USA unless they forced his hand. Why would he compromise his own power by taking on a superpower he could never hope to beat?

Your leaders tell you he's insane and that he needs to be removed by force. Consider that he's made concessions in the past and has shown a desire to compromise with countries that engage with him. Besides, if N Korea really wanted all-out nuclear war they would've stated it long ago.

Don't believe the absolute shit your administration feeds you. America needs Kerry to win the upcoming election if it is to reassert its global influence by way of a multilateral approach - the current approach is quite simply a disaster.
 
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N. Korea isn't a big threat. If they get nukes, they will be. That leader is nuts enough to try anything. China isn't backing them as much as they did in the 50s. The smell of tons of money has softened China's stance a bunch. Most of North Koreans are starving and living in poverty. There army isn't too big a threat. That's why N. Korea getting a nuke could pose a problem. The leader is nuts, and a nuke doesn't starve and get tired and stuff like a human infantryman does.

The good thing is I think the leader is sane enough to just be doing stuff to stay in power. You throw him a bone every now and then and his sword rattling is just bark and not bite. Throw him enough bones so that he doesn't bother finishing a nuke, then his possible bite won't have any sharp teeth.
 
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.........N. Korea is a threat and a viable threat at that. Just one question you should be asking yourselves. Why is and has the U.S. military been stationed in S. Korea for the last 50 years. Why is it that US Military leaders say that if N. Korea wanted to invade S.Korea that the US force there would serve as nothing but a speed bump. Remember Vietnam???? They were also a starving under mechanized army.....with the will to win with a third of the size military as N.Korea. George W. Bush's stance on N. Korea has not made N. Korea a threat..........history folks....c'mon now....N. Korea has been a threat since the Korean War. Don't kid yourselves....well go ahead and kid yourselves if it makes you sleep better at night.
 
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I agree Tool, the reason for my post was that many here think Bush is the only one feeling North Korea is a threat, but if you have dealings with South Korea, you'll find that it is a very real threat to them. If anyone is aware that even the capital is moving some 120 miles south of the border, yes folks, Seoul will not be the capital, too many people too close to North Korea. I'm always amazed that the hotels have up to date gas masks and escape cable reels in each room, I took pictures of these things, but you know me, I dont know how to post pictures. The threat of North Korea to the South Koreans is as real as it was 53 years ago. Its also a lot of mind games between the two, but who's mind are you going to trust.
 
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Well, jeez, of course North Korea might be a threat to North Korea (it's a brutal dictatorship that makes Sadam almost look democratic)...and probably a threat to South Korea too. North Korea has announced that it has produced nuclear weapons under Bush's watch. And of course, we all know now that Bush announced a unilateral withdraw of troops from South Korea to supply more troops to Iraq. Kerry has said that it is a mistake not to negotiate troop reductions.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129077,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/19/politics/campaign/19kerry.html

I'm just wondering, especially from those who travel there or might have honest knowledge of foreign affairs, whether people think Bush is planning on attacking North Korea next? That was the question. North Korea is either with us or against us? Or do you think the new Bush Doctrine has room for some negotiation first?
 
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Well, jeez, of course North Korea might be a threat to North Korea (it's a brutal dictatorship that makes Sadam almost look democratic)...and probably a threat to South Korea too. North Korea has announced that it has produced nuclear weapons under Bush's watch. And of course, we all know now that Bush announced a unilateral withdraw of troops from South Korea to supply more troops to Iraq. Kerry has said that it is a mistake not to negotiate troop reductions.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129077,00.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/19/politics/campaign/19kerry.html

I'm just wondering, especially from those who travel there or might have honest knowledge of foreign affairs, whether people think Bush is planning on attacking North Korea next? That was the question. North Korea is either with us or against us? Or do you think the new Bush Doctrine has room for some negotiation first?
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aNoodle, as usual your inquisitive posts invokes deep intraspect into what the state of the world will be tomorrow. I can quite honestly say (and I say this with the fact that I work for the US military) that EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE I have spoken with is in UNILATERAL agreement that a preempetive strike on N.Korea would be suicide. Just imagine what Al Qaida would do with a million man army. I mention Al Qaida for the simple fact that they have money, an as well as I am sitting here now, I KNOW that in the event of a strike against N.Korea, (just like in Iraq) Al Qaida operatives would be there as well. We cannot put blinders on and make believe that Terrorist Fundlementalist groups are only in the middle east, I will be hating it for America and anyone else that participated in a strike against N.Korea.

We also need to keep a watchful eye on Iran..........cannot forget them.
 
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