Crazy Police chase video
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Tom said:
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That is unbelievable. I can’t believe the cops can get away with that; what an incredibly dangerous situation made worse. If this had been in California or even here for that matter, heads would have rolled at the police department.
Just imagine if this had been in California, it would have been on EVERY national news program and they would have been talking about out-of-control police chases for months.
even the GT isn't that fast though....
an advantage of FWD has finally been discovered. i'm sure when the cops smash into the back of your car it could greatly affect how your drive wheels operate, but if you had an FWD car you'd be cool, because you could continue to drag those worthless wheels all over town EVEN IF THEY ARE MIA or blown out. sweeeeeet.
an advantage of FWD has finally been discovered. i'm sure when the cops smash into the back of your car it could greatly affect how your drive wheels operate, but if you had an FWD car you'd be cool, because you could continue to drag those worthless wheels all over town EVEN IF THEY ARE MIA or blown out. sweeeeeet.
I dunno. THey do the pit maneuver here in SoCal. If heads rolled, it's cuz it took them 3 times to do it. It didn't look like an out-of-control police chase to me.
And yeah, I'm surprised the Stang didn't outrun the cruiser. I've been on a ride-a-long with the dept's top car chase guy (cuz it seems like every other day he's in one). He showed me what the cruiser could do and complained it couldn't do that much. I'd have to agree. They don't put Hi-Po motors in the cruisers anymore. It's just the regular engine and a beefed up suspension and axle. All those push bars and light bars add a lot of drag. That's on top of all that weight cuz of the equipment inside. My lil 325 should be able to outrun a modern cruiser nowadays. The Camaros are a different story tho.
And yeah, I'm surprised the Stang didn't outrun the cruiser. I've been on a ride-a-long with the dept's top car chase guy (cuz it seems like every other day he's in one). He showed me what the cruiser could do and complained it couldn't do that much. I'd have to agree. They don't put Hi-Po motors in the cruisers anymore. It's just the regular engine and a beefed up suspension and axle. All those push bars and light bars add a lot of drag. That's on top of all that weight cuz of the equipment inside. My lil 325 should be able to outrun a modern cruiser nowadays. The Camaros are a different story tho.
I disagree. While out-of-control may be strong, failure to control the situation may be a better statement. I have followed the Kristie’s Law debate for a while and I really don’t think this would meet the test for a reasonable pursuit derived from the forethought of the balancing of the crime and pursuit risks. However, this is subjective.
I have two problems with the pursuit and they are the reason I fully would expect this to be an issue in states with very high awareness and low tolerance, like California, for police chases and the associated risk balance with the crime that has been committed.
First, there is a reasonable risk that the original contact by the police car could have caused a rollover situation in an area where oncoming traffic are just feet away and the barrier separating the traffic directions appears insignificant to prevent a rollover situation from being carried into oncoming traffic.
Second, another attempt is made on a highway overpass thereby creating a similar situation of rollover in an area where significant harm could be reasonably assumed involving innocent bystanders.
These two factors combined with the “stolen car” crime, in my eyes, seem to fail the tests for a reasonable and controlled pursuit.
In California, the public is beginning to see that police pursuits come with a very high price tag. For innocent victims and their families, the price of unnecessary pursuits is too high! A Department of Justice study reveals that 90 percent of all pursuits are for traffic violations and chasing nonviolent suspects. Many of these fleeing suspects are back on the streets or go home with their mothers before officers finish their paperwork. In many cases, with good police work, these suspects can be caught later under safer conditions -- safer for the public and the officers. (kristieslaw.org)
So no pit maneuver in your opinion? Spike strips better? Or both too high of a risk for rollover so just chase them until he's outta gas? Or just let him go?
I understand Kristie's law. But my main issue is the penalties are too light. If captured on film, I'd start ticking off each passed car/bystander as a reckless endangerment charge (or something similar). Then stack the sentences consecutively. CA and NV have tons of deserts or open land. We should open up more minimum security boot camps for those who run from the cops but only have minor crimes attached to them. They're pretty cheap and tend to be effective.
The problem with Kristie's law is the potential for abuse... the wrong way. Criminals know cops can't chase them, then they're gonna run. Cops don't always know why someone runs. What if he just murdered someone and finally got spooked? Or they had a cache of drugs? You can have bad situations both by chasing them and letting em run away.
I understand Kristie's law. But my main issue is the penalties are too light. If captured on film, I'd start ticking off each passed car/bystander as a reckless endangerment charge (or something similar). Then stack the sentences consecutively. CA and NV have tons of deserts or open land. We should open up more minimum security boot camps for those who run from the cops but only have minor crimes attached to them. They're pretty cheap and tend to be effective.
The problem with Kristie's law is the potential for abuse... the wrong way. Criminals know cops can't chase them, then they're gonna run. Cops don't always know why someone runs. What if he just murdered someone and finally got spooked? Or they had a cache of drugs? You can have bad situations both by chasing them and letting em run away.
Yea, I agree with what you are saying here, it's a difficult balance and in reality who knows what lies ahead in the video.
My thinking is the circumstances vary dramatically by the situation and it's difficult to propose a blanket solution other than risk to others IMO. If someone stole my car I would hope that it would only be retrieved if it were safe to do so.
I’m not against pit maneuvers, but I do think place and speed should be evaluated before making this type of move. My first thought would have been to use spike strips. I know these are used here on highways around town as a lower risk alternative.
I think what will eventually happen with dense populations is we will be forced into disabling devices.
My thinking is the circumstances vary dramatically by the situation and it's difficult to propose a blanket solution other than risk to others IMO. If someone stole my car I would hope that it would only be retrieved if it were safe to do so.
I’m not against pit maneuvers, but I do think place and speed should be evaluated before making this type of move. My first thought would have been to use spike strips. I know these are used here on highways around town as a lower risk alternative.
I think what will eventually happen with dense populations is we will be forced into disabling devices.
Yeah, spike strips are safer usually. But maybe the police did it cuz they were in Oklahoma and there's less traffic there? Or maybe the couldn't get spike strips set up in time cuz the guy was changing directions too many times. Sometimes the pit maneuver is all they have. Usually it's a lot safer than blasting out the tires with a shotgun.
I feel that there are TO MANY laws governing the Police in the states as it is. I agree totally that high speed chases should be limited to KNOWN violent criminals, where their getaway outways the threat to the public more than the chase. There is crime in Germany, but not so much crime involving the Polizei. Over here the Polizei are alot more "free reigned" if you know what I mean. If you run from the Polizei on foot, they won/t chase you....they simply open the back door their cars and let out the 150lb Shepard and let it chase you down, if the dog tears off your arm....oh well...should not have run. Back to the high speed chases....Codex and Brian both have awsome points and presented their facts very professionally....I am impressed. I just think that their would be a hell of alot less people running from the cops in the U.S. if the laws governing what our police could do were a bit more liberal. Seriously...I know that the whole Civil rights thing comes to play, but you just don't hear about this kinda crazy stuff going on over here and I think that is directly related to the respect that the population holds for the Polizei...simply put....If you mess with the Polizei...they will seriously ruin your day for about 3 months while you are healing from your wounds.
